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liberal - worker's party?

By: kiley (Registered ) on 03-10-2007 21:58

This is the logic I find so hard to understand. To vote for a party even less interested in your rights is so alien to me. Just as people will vote Labor now just to get rid of Howard. 
 
I'm worried I've misconstrued my family here though. They would never vote Liberal. Ever. If anything they would vote socialist or green. 
 
Howard has appealed to fear and racism within the Labor heartland, wrapped up in 1950s sentiment of family values and nationalism. Brilliantly, this rhetoric runs thick through representations of unions, indigenous people, non-christians and heteronormativity that those once aligned with unions and Labor now vote Liberal. Politicians openly talking about their religion in a secular political arena should be alarming to us but fear and ignorance have contained our criticality.

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RYN: Kiley

By: Spider (Registered ) on 08-10-2007 00:20

During Howard's first half of his time as Prime Minister, he had done a lot of good for Australia and this includes the workers. A lot of good really with reforms that most people including myself were and still are happy with. 
 
It is since the most previous election that people have grown annoyed and anxious as a one seat majority of the Senate which has got by the skin of their little toe, they grew cocky and arrogant over night. 
 
Abolishing the worthless CES and creating a far superior network which actually provided services and helps you get a job, helped the unemployed who before, were left for dead by a Labor government that started the "jobs for immigrants over Aussie's". 
 
Both sides of politics have abandoned Australian's. This purile policy started by Hawke/Keaing, accelerated by Howard and fully endorsed by the closet Marxists known as The Greens.

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marxists??

By: kiley (Registered ) on 08-10-2007 00:28

I don't agree Spider.  
 
And I vote green.

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ALP

By: lateral (Registered ) on 08-10-2007 04:51

I was a member of the ALP in Queensland and Victoria in the 70's and early 80's. Voting for Whitlam, Hawke, Cain and doing my bit letter boxing and handing out how to vote cards.  
 
I became very disillusioned with the party that consistently demonstrated incompetence in management and expecially economic management.  
 
I must have missed the point when I joined. A party I though was in favour of equal access to opportunity and looking after the average battler I found a party which was dominated by undemocratic unions and the university elite who believed they knwe waht was best. The workers we actually us dummies who did as we were told in the branches, and did the leg work for "in crowd".  
 
The ALP is not a grass roots party, maybe was in the very very early years but certainly aint now. 
 
One day I'd like to vote ALP again, but on the current state of the party I think it'll be a long time. Rudd and a team of unionists with little experience outside this narrow union and academic base cannot run this country.  
 
Ah well, another disaster on the way.

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liberal as a better option?

By: kiley (Registered ) on 08-10-2007 07:16

I have a hard time believing that people disillusioned with Labor's lack of care for 'the working man' would turn to Liberal as a better option. I think generally those people vote Liberal for a host of reasons that have little to do with economics and much more to do with fear and a misguided sense of the national.  
 
What started off as my attempt to start a conversation about how much Labor have shifted to the right has ended up being a forum for Liberal voters to vent about how crap Labor are and how Liberals offer something better.  
 
Obviously that was my misguided sense of a left politic still existing outside of right wing rhetoric about 'Marxists' (believe me, there are very few of these left) and 'corrupt' unions. No wonder Labor have had to shift so far right, you guys probably think the national party are a bunch of potential 'reds' hiding under your posturepedics.  
 
Bob Santamaria would be proud!

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