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Impact of Interest rates on Wages

By: AlanK (Registered ) on 07-11-2007 23:59

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/ content/2007/s2084263.htm 
This is the internet site for the full transcript of last night’s interview on the 7.30 Report, for those who may be interested. 
 
Transcript 
KERRY O'BRIEN: So how will this latest interest rate rise impact on mainstream Australia? The Housing Industry Association says today's rise will "see more than 650,000 Australian households caught in the grip of mortgage stress". Dr Steve Keen is an academic economist at the University of Western Sydney who has done substantial research on Australia's debt levels, both household and business debt, with a monthly report called Debtwatch. He joins me now. 
 
Steve Keen, how will this rate rise impact on various mortgage belt households around Australia? 
 
STEVE KEEN, ECONOMICS, UWS: Well, it is going to make what might look like a fairly minor increase in the amount of money that has to come out of the household budget that has to pay the new level of average mortgage payments just in term of the interest payments that are made on the mortgages. It's going to go from 11.4 cents in the household dollar just to pay the interest on mortgages to 11.7. Now that doesn't look like very much but if you go back and history and take a longer view and, say, what was it like 30 years ago in 1977, it was two cents in the dollar, so we're talking virtually six times as much. You go back to 1990 which is when we had those of course, astronomically high nominal interest rates was 4.5 cents in the dollar. So even though we've go a substantially lower rate of interest now, it's almost three times as much coming out of the household budget to cover interest payments, and just since the 2004 election, we've gone from eight cents in the dollar to now about 11.7. So almost 50 per cent higher again than during the 2004 election. 
 
And on it goes. Who said that history lessons can not be informative and instructive!

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Impact of Interest rates on Wages

By: geoffreykelley (Registered ) on 08-11-2007 00:47

I saw the 7:30 Report also. Two points came to mind. If you try hard enough you can find an obscure academic somewhere in Australia to say exactly what you want! Also tho old cliche about lies, damn lies and statistics! 
Keen did not mention the difference between the tax on $100,000 a year between 1990 and 2007. 
For instance, in 1990 the tax on $1923 per week ($100,000 pa) was $774.0 and the take-home pay was $1148.00 per week. Today the tax is $553 and the take-home pay is $1370 per week, a difference of $221 or a 30% reduction! In 1990 the tax was 40% of the wage and in 2007 the tax is 28.75% of the wage. 
If you free up another 11% of the wage why would you be surprised if enterprising wage earners spent it on a home mortgage? 
I believe the latest stats show that the average home mortgage has risen from 25% of the take-home pay to about 30%, but it surprise me that it has not gone to 35% given 11% of the wage has been freed up from taxation. What are the people doing with that extra 6%? They are spending it on a better life-style. 
Keen's claims were fraudulent and so absurd that only Kerry O'Brien and the ABC would have the gall to dig him up, and only dyed-in-the-wool Labor voters would fall for it. The rest of the community are out spending their extra $220.00 a week that Howard has freed up! 
Only a Labor voter would argue that we are doing it harder under Howard than we did under Keating. 
Has anyone noticed how well the big toyshops are doing over the last decade? Have a look at the growth in Harvey Norman, JB HiFi, Bunnings, Officeworks, Clive Peters, a whole host of little guys such as AutoBarn and eBay! Who is driving these sales? Where were they during the eighties? Or, can you remember what Allan Bond did to Waltons? It went broke didn't it? Figgins Diorama? The Shop of Shops? Georges? Where are they today? 
I can't wait to see how Rudd follows in the shoes of Whitlam, Hawke and Keating. 
 
Geoffrey Kelley

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Pork Barrelling

By: geoffreykelley (Registered ) on 08-11-2007 01:01

When it comes to pork barreling I don't think we have seen anything yet! My prediction is that both parties will reach 100 billion before the big day. 
I think back to the 1993 election and remember how the naive Dr Hewson prepared the most comprehensive planning and policy document ever in the history of this nation. Over 500 pages telepgraphed like punches to the enemy, Keating. 
Keating and the ALP lied for six months about "Fightback" and the GST. Keating introduced L.A.W. legislation and then did a Garrett as soon as he won. 
In the last week of the election Keating pulled all his lies into perspective and thundered to the confused electorate, "If you don't understand it DON'T vote for it!" 
Of course the confused electorate did not understand it because of the lies by the ALP and the press. Does anyone remember Conrad Black promising favorable electoral comment in return for another 15% of Fairfax? The SMH and "The Age" honoured their master's voice. 
In the last week of that election, fought on economic credibility, Keating spent SIX billion dollars pork barreling! 
No Labor team has gone to an election since 1993 witout releasing their policies in the last few weeks. Beazley even went to the 2000 election WITHOUT some policies, notably Immigration! 
 
All we really need to know about political campaigning in Australia is two things, lie like buggery and pork barrel! That is how you win an election! 
 
Geoffrey Kelley

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7.30 Report Dr Steve Keen

By: AlanK (Registered ) on 08-11-2007 13:46

To geofferykelley, who says, “If you try hard enough you can find an obscure academic somewhere in Australia to say exactly what you want”, I suggest that you check out the site listed below, to see how obscure and unimportant Dr Steve Keen is amongst his peers, both nationally and internationally. 
 
http:// www.complexsystems.net.au/ index.php?page=profiles&profile=429 
 
“Keen's claims were fraudulent and so absurd that only Kerry O'Brien and the ABC would have the gall to dig him up, and only dyed-in-the-wool Labor voters would fall for it.”  
Are you trying to infer that he has been fooling all of his colleagues some of the time, or fooling all of them most of the time, but, I doubt if he could fool ALL of his colleagues ALL of the time. I thought it was only pollies that tried that on! Fortunately, the voters of today are more questioning, and, in my opinion, refuse to accept the same old guff election after election. I doubt if what worked 2, 3, or 4 elections back will be effective today. I do NOT want to trust, I want to have it proven to me. Having said that, I am open to NEW ideas, especially if the old ones are not taking me forward as far as I would like to go. I had the opinion that Dr Keen took into account the changes in AWE [average weekly earnings] over the time frame, 1977-2007, changes in housing costs over the period, changes in monies borrowed, and changes in what went into the whole reasoning behind the monies borrowed. 
 
You also mention the wage of $100,000pa in 1990. I would have thought that was well above the average, my recollection of that time is about $30,000pa, maybe a little more. You should compare like with like, not apples with oranges. You are also playing a small amount with the ‘take home pay’ because you have not accounted for super, and other deductions (health fund, life insurance, and maybe an annuity) that a prudent worker would plan for, or be compelled to pay. If only tax was all that went. 
Then let us not forget the sales taxes, excises, import duties, rates, costs of getting to and from work, and on it goes. It sounds like today, but it is ONLY 17 years ago. Let us maintain the relationship within the argument so that like is compared with like.

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7.30 Report Dr Steve Keen

By: geoffreykelley (Registered ) on 09-11-2007 02:09

AlanK, I don’t wish to denigrate Dr Steven Keen any further than to say he is an obscure academic from the Univ. of Western Sydney. And furthermore, you said,” but, I doubt if he could fool ALL of his colleagues ALL of the time…….”. Actually he hasn’t fooled all his colleagues all the time. Here is a quote from Wikipedia,” Keen's full-range critique of neoclassical economics is contained in his book "Debunking Economics." Some reviewers of the book, neoclassical or otherwise, contend that Keen has not shown what he claims and that he is making exaggerated claims for his research, most of which is based on a misunderstanding of economic theory.” I also stand by my claims about the ABC. 
Keen mentioned the salary of $100,000.00 and not me. And, he was NOT talking about the average wage, whatever that might be. Are you suggesting that the average wage has increased from 30K to 100K under this Howard Govt? If you are, then Howard will romp in the next election. 
You said, “You are also playing a small amount with the “take home pay” because you have not accounted for super, and other deductions (health fund, life insurance, and maybe an annuity) that a prudent worker would plan for, or be compelled to pay. If only tax was all that went………….” Actually I am not trying to play any games. We all know that personal income tax has fallen under the Howard Govt. 
For your information the employer, not the employee, contributes the 9% super paid into a workers fund. 
All the other expenses you list are normal living expenses, except Howard introduce the GST and removed wholesale sales tax. 
I repeat my claim that Keen is playing games with the facts. 
What Keen was trying to say is that we are more heavily in debt today than we were 17 years ago, and he is right. The reason we have borrowed more is because interest rates are lower and borrowed money is more attractive at 8.5% than at 17.5%. Borrowers today are paying off capital and not just interest. 
I also repeat that peoples disposable income is greater today than it was 17 years ago and once again offer the “toy shops” as proof. 
Geoffrey Kelley

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